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Assembly instructions
for magdyno:
71 97 999 20 (Lucas twin)
71 97 999 10 (Lucas single)

71 95 999 20 (Bosch twin)
71 95 999 10 (Bosch Single)

Version 11.09.2017
 




IMPORTANT:

Please read these instructions fully before starting work on your bike or any modification on the supplied system. Also, please note the remarks on the information page for this system.
If you have no expertise for the installation have it done by an expert or at a specialist's workshop. Improper installation may damage the new system and your motorcycle.
Powerdynamo can not monitor the compliance to those instructions, nor the conditions and methods of installation, operation, usage and maintenance of the system. Improper installation may result in damage to property and possibly even bodily injury. Therefore we assume no responsibility for loss, damage or cost which result from, or are in any way related to, incorrect installation, improper operation, or incorrect use and maintenance. We reserve the right to make changes to the product, technical data or assembly and operating instructions without prior notice. 

If you have access to the Internet, see those instructions online. You get larger and better pictures by clicking onto them and possibly updated information. System list at http://www.powerdynamo.biz

 
Check packing
and rotor!

The magdyno is sensible to blows during transport. We therefore double pack the material (box inside box). Should the system have been despatched to you via a reseller and arrive not packed like this, please inform us.

The charging system is only suitable for use with rechargable 12V lead-acid batteries with  liquide electrolyte or sealed lead-acid batteries, AGM, Gel. It is not suitable for use with nickel-cadmium, nickel-metal-hydride, lithium-ion or any other types of recharchable or non rechargable batteries.

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First of all, make sure that the unit is suitable for your application. You should consider the following points:
  • unit is driven at camshaft speed (half crank speed)
  • Lucas Version: shaft height is 44.6mm (without the adapter steel base 38mm)
    Bosch Version: shaft height is 38mm
  • shaft taper is 5°42'38'' (1:5), this is normal for most Magdynos
  • fastening is by band clamp or screws on an even platform (no flange mount)
  • if a battery is used, it must be 12V and must be connected with its negative terminal to ground (Never with the positive, even if the original system was!)
  • single cylinder or (if equipped with a twin coil) parallel or flat twin engine (not V)
Please note that some characteristics of the unit differ from the original magdyno:
  • It delivers 14.4V DC (the standard voltage for a 12V system).
  • The threading at the front end is M8x1. You will find a special tubular nut M8x1 nut in the delivery.
  • Ignition advance and retard are digitally effected. The old bowden cable to shift advance and retard is not needed any more, but may be put there for appearance reasons. The digital advance unit is not integrated inside the unit, but housed (cast in plastic) in an outside black box which shields its inner electronics against the elements. A suitable location on the motorcycle must be found for this black box. If you choose to operate without a battery, you may sink the black box into an empty battery housing (see further below).
  • Operating without a battery requires the use of a powerful capacitor of 22.000microF in place of the battery; otherwise your lights will only be dim. The capacitor is best housed in an empty battery case which will also accomodate the advance black box).
  • This is a rather universal magdyno fitting different vintage motorcycles. Because of that we did not cut a groove for the woodruff key (that eventually existes on your original magdyno).

These parts are in the Lucas version pack:
  • the magdyno itself with Lucas adapter plate and dowels
  • pinion tubular nut M8x1
  • the advance unit
  • a length of high tension cable
  • rubber grommet(s) for HT exit
  • extension for kill wire (blue)
  • fuse and holder
  • 2 cable ties
  • full English instructions

These parts are in the Bosch version pack:
  • the magdyno itself
  • the advance unit
  • a length of high tension cable
  • rubber grommet(s) for HT exit
  • extension for kill wire (blue)
  • special nut M8x1
  • fuse and holder
  • 2 cable ties


As we have unified Bosch und Lucas versions to some extent, you will find at the bottom of the unit the usual 4 holes for the small Bosch dowels and 4 holes threaded M8 to take the adapterplate needed for the Lucas version.

Should you screw into the threaded holes for whatever reason something else than our lucas adapter plate with the screws we supply, make sure that screws do not touch the rotor inside (max screw depth from surface: 13mm)


For Lucas applications the unit is fitted with a bottom adapter plate, bringing the shaft to the correct height and providing for the dowels.

The dowels are screwed in and may therefore be taken out (hex key) or replaced by screws (watch out for length!) if required for the particular installation.



Not included, but necessary if you operate without a battery, is a smoothing capacitor. It must be installed in place of the battery and connected as if it were the battery. The capacitor has 2 screw-on terminals. One of them is marked with plus (+) and must be connected to plus (+). The other terminal (-) is connected to ground (negative).
The red positive (+) wire of the magdyno must be connected to both the positive (+) terminal of the capacitor and to input terminal (pin 30) of the main switch, if fitted.


Recommended, for operating without a battery, but not included in the magdyno set is an

* empty battery housing (similar in appearance to original Bosch) to contain both advance unit and capacitor.


This empty housing may also be used to house a modern 12V sealed acid battery while maintaining the appearance of the original.

Preparation of Installation

  1. Remove the existing magdyno as per relevant maintenance manual.
  2. Remove existing 6volt battery.
  3. Rewire motorcycle for 12V negative ground configuration if it was originally positive earth.
  4. Reverse wires on back of amp-meter if you had positive ground.
  5. Replace 6 volt bulbs with 12V bulbs of same wattage.
  6. Clean magdyno mounting pad area and inspect for condition.
  7. Place the new magdyno provisionally unfastened onto the platform and check that it does not touch cylinder fins or interfere with other parts of the engine.
  8. The horn should work ok for short bursts on the 12V system. If it sounds distorted it may need adjusting.

The new magdyno is fastened to the motorcycle in the same way as the original magdyno had been fitted. 

With the unit mounted on the platform and tightened down, and with the drive cog fitted it should not be possible to rotate the cog backwards and forwards without the adjacent driving cog (usually an idler) moving. If this condition is not met then the unit may CLATTER at slow speed because the strong magnetic influence will act against the direction of the cog and take up any backlash present.

This adjustment of mesh is usually effected by placing shims between the unit and mounting platform. A worn idler may exhibit the same slow speed clatter even though the mesh is correct.

CONVERSELY if the mesh is too tight this may cause a WHINE.

For more detail on that see safety and operating information further down.


Observe that the taper of the rotor shaft is 1:5 and threaded for M8x1. Do not use sprockets on it with a different taper. This will damage the taper and may cause the sprocket to slip on the shaft.

During assembly, pay attention to the small switches on the advance unit. There are 2 blue switches which select different advance curves.
For settings and curves of units with serial numbers  starting with 0806 and  1506 see here.
Other (later units have settings as described below).

In the table below
1 means switch is set to ON
0 means it is set opposite, that is to OFF
this example here is 1-0
switch position
1-2

start of advance
1,250 rpm

full advance
2,500 rpm

total degrees advance

recommended use for

0-0 6° BTDC 34° BTDC 28° twins
1-0 4° BTDC 36° BTDC 32° twin spark singles
0-1 4° BTDC 40° BTDC 36° single spark
1-1 2° ATDC 40° BTDC 42° kick back problem machines
Values in yellow columns depend on static timing setting, whilst values in green column will remain, independent of static setting.

Those curves have been introduced as it had been noticed that some machines with worn yet serviceable engines had difficulty in maintaining a regular idle speed of 1,000rpm or below. It was therefore necessary to introduce an A&R module with the advance threshold lifted to 1,250rpm to allow idle speeds to be increased to 1,250 rpm or below. At the same time it was advantageous to modify all settings to give a greater spread of options.


The magdyno and its external advance unit are connected by a pre-assembled 4-terminal plug.
  • yellow to yellow (the unprocessed trigger pulse)
  • blue/white to blue/white (processed trigger pulse)
  • red/black to red/black (more than 300V AC from the ignition pole)
  • white to white (ground)
  • The single blue cable is the cut-out cable. It should be connected to the short-circuit terminal of the ignition lock or to a kill switch.
If you have to replace it or there are cables out of the plug, you must take care that all cables are connected correctly (see left).

If the blue cable is connected to ground, the ignition is off. For a first test of the system you are advised to leave the blue wire open (unconnected). This will reduce the scope of possible errors.


For ignition adjustment you must:


Remove the 4 countersunk screws from the front upper cover. (Not the 4 lower hex head screws!)

in the unit there are 2 further connectors:
yellow to yellow and red/black to red/black

Pull off the cover (cap) carefully. Attention, not too far! The ignition coil is fastened with cables and plugs connected to the inside of the unit.

never wrongly connect those wires, this will destroy the coil. Make sure that you have:
  • yellow from coil to blue/white from unit
  • red/black from coil to red/black from unit
  • blue from coil to blue from unit


You will see the grey sensor, and beneath it the rotor with its 1 or 2 trigger noses.

The point of ignition is determined by the position of the trigger noses relative to the sensor.


To facilitate turning the shaft, there is a hex screw in the end of the rotor shaft with an accessible head.

You may insert a 3mm allen key to turn and hold it.


Setting timing during installation

This is the point where most problems happen, so please read carefully and try to understand the logic of the process.

1. Prepare the new unit by setting it into position for full advance.
The following drawing shows where the sensor and rotor are in relation to each other when the spark actually occurs under conditions of maximal advance (that is normal driving speed).


Position at full advance

The position of full advance is reached (for clockwise turning units) when the left edge of the trigger has passed the sensor core by about 1/3 of its width (4mm).

Turning clockwise means as seen from the front of the shaft (as shown here)!



For counter-clockwise turning units (seen from this position) the same applies in reverse.

The system is designed to work in either direction

Set the gap between rotor nose and sensor to 0.25-0.3mm. A wider gap will only lead to bad starting.


2. Prepare your engine by setting the crankshaft into the position that is normally reached at full advance (riding position). For most motorcycles using a magdyno this is typically around 38° to 40° (crankshaft) before TDC single spark advance and 32° to 34° twin spark.

3. With both, unit and engine in the described position the mag pinion or cog should be gently tapped onto taper and secured to 14 ft lbs with nut provided. Re-check timing in case of slippage.



A perfectly accurate adjustment may be difficult (often prevented by the length of the timing chain links). Furthermore, positioning the rotor precisely in specified positions can be tricky as well (because of the strong magnets pulling it away).

We have therefore provided a means to adjust the sensor position by shifting it laterally.


But attention:

Loosen the holding screws only slightly - otherwise the back plate behind may fall inside the unit (attracted by the magnets) and damage the system, if you start it.

Don't forget to tighten the screws after the adjustment!!

Please check these screws for tightness even if you did not adjust the sensor position initially.


NEVER change the screws holding the sensor

Yes, they are short, but absolutely sufficiant. Using longer will destroy the 2 charging coils underneath, leading to total loss of spark.


Pictures here (enlarge by clicking onto them) sho such damage due to longer screws.


 

Whenever you have opened the ignition coil housing, you must be careful to ensure that all wires there are well secured and can not accidentally become entangled in the rotor. Use a cable tie to fasten them well up.

Attention:
Never start a new unit without checking the position of these wires!

Before starting fit a new plug and open the gap to 0.6mm/25thou.


There is no reason to open the unit (except the cover for adjusting the sensor and checking screws and cables)!! There are no other serviceable components inside.
Unscrewing the rotor mounting plate could lead to severe damage and will void the warranty.
If you suspect a defect in the system, you must return it to Powerdynamo for inspection and (if needed) repair.
If you must know how it looks inside - here is a photo!

(Click pictures to enlarge them!)


Wiring will depend very much on what motorcycle you are using the magdyno for. There are however a few generally valid points. Below a general wiring diagram of a typical (British) vintage motorcycle with the new unit. You may enlarge this diagram by clicking onto it.
  • Ignition wiring is done by connecting the advance unit to the magdyno via the plugs installed there as well as screwing in the high tension cables.
  • Lighting voltage is output via the long red wire coming out of the unit. This carries 12V plus. Minus is internally connected to the units housing which hence requires solid electric ground connection. This wire should be fed into the existing electric system via a 6A fuse.
  • If a battery is used in the system a switch should be provided to disconnect it to prevent any possible drain via the units diodes, during long periods without use.

The single cylinder version differs from the twin cylinder (or twin spark) version only by the ignition coil and its cover.

Both have the same rotor with 2 noses and hence produce a wasted (harmless) spark on the exhaust stroke.

If there is a twin ignition coil fitted, it always fires both plugs at the same time.


During operation the unit will warm up noticeably, especially at the front and the bottom. This temperature may (with motorcycle not moving) climb up to 85°C (you should be careful when touching the hot unit). This heat will not damage the electronics and is actually not produced by the electronics or near them. The heat comes from the aluminium. Similar to a microwave oven, the strong magnetic field causes the alloy particles to rub against each other, heating themselves up.

This is normal behaviour of the unit, there is no need to worry.


You will not be able to turn the shaft by hand. You must place a sprocket on the shaft (or use the allen key in the front opening). When turning the shaft you will notice the resistance of the magnets. That too is normal. Energy does not come from nothing. The high output of the unit requires a strong magnetic field created by very powerful high technology ceramic magnets.

Having mentioned the internal resistance, there is no need for worry that your engine cannot pull it, or will suffer a loss of power. Quite the contrary, you should notice improved engine performance.

You may ease starting by switching the lights on only after the engine is running on its own. The lights consume a lot of energy and bring more load to bear on the magnets. That is a suggestion only, if needed. The engine will start with lights switched on before starting as well.


 You will find a unique unit idendity number on the bottom side of the magdyno unit.


You may check timing with a stroboscope. For this the engine has to be running however.

Precise ways of doing that vary from motorcycle to motorcycle.

You cannot check timing with a simple timing light bulb as used in points based applications.


 

Important safety and operating information

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Safety first! Please observe the general health and safety regulations motor vehicle repair (MVR) as well as the safety information and obligations indicated by the manufacturer of your motorcycle.

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Ignition systems generate high tension! With our material right up to 40.000 Volts! This may, if handled carelessly, not only be painful, but outrightly dangerous. Please do keep a safe distance to the electrode of your spark plug and open high tension cables. Should you need to test spark firing, hold the spark plug socket securely with some well insulating material and push it firmly to solid ground of the engine block to earth the output.

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After installation, please check tightness of all screws. If parts get loose during run, there will be inevitably damage to the material. We pre-assemble screws only loosely.

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Give the newly installed system a chance to work, before you start to check and test values, or what is worse is to apply changes to customize the firing point before running the system.
Our parts have been checked before delivery to you. You will not be able to check much anyway. At any rate do refrain from measuring the electronic components (such as ignition coil, regulator and advance unit). You risk severe damage to the inner electronics there. You will not get any tangible results from the operation anyway. Bear in mind that also your carburettor and your spark plugs and spark plug sockets might be the reason for malfunction. The general experience with our systems is that the carburettor will have to be re-adjusted to lower settings. Should the system not start after assembly, first disconnect the blue cut-off wire directly at the ignition coil (or in some cases advance unit) to eliminate any mistake in the cut-off circuitry. Check ground connections carefully and, to be on the safe side and for testing, put an additional ground wire from the regulator directly to the engine block.

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The spark of classical, points based ignition systems has with about 10,000 Volts with little energy and looks therefore yellow and fat (hence it's visible). The spark from our system is a high energy spark with up to 40,000 Volts and therefore very sharp (needle thin focused) in form and blue in colour, which makes it not so well visible. Furthermore you get spark only at kickstart operated speeds and not by pushing the kicklever down slow with your hand (as you might get on classic systems).

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Systems using a twin outlet ignition coils have a few percularities. Please observe that during tests on one side, the other has either to be connected to an fitted spark plug or securely earthed. Otherwise there will be no spark on either side.

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Never do electric arc welding on the bike without completely disconnecting all parts containing semiconductors (ignition coil, regulator, advance). Never use copper putty on spark plugs.

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Electronics are very sensitive to wrong polarity. After work on the system, do check correct polarity of the battery and the regulator. Wrong polarity creates short circuits and will destroy the regulator, the ignition coil and the advance unit. As a rule, wiring will always be colour to colour. Instances, where colour differs between wires are expressly mentioned in our instructions.

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Do not use spark plug sockets with a resistance of more than 5kOhm. Better use 1 or 2kOhm ones. Bear in mind that spark plug sockets do age and thereby increase their internal resistance. Should an engine start up only when cold, a defectice spark plug socket and/or spark plug is very probably the cause. In case of problems check high tension cables too. Never use carbon fibre HT-cables.

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Should the motorcycle not be in use for some longer period, please disconnect the battery (so existing) to prevent current bleeding through the diodes of the regulator. Though, even a disconnected battery will empty itself after a while.

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Please do observe these remarks, but at the same time, don't be afraid of the installation process. Remember, before you, that thousands of other customers have successfully installed the system.
Enjoy driving your bike with its new electric heart!